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[–]StillCantCode 134 points135 points  (6 children)

I member when AMD was two bucks. I didn't have the money to buy then, either.

[–]CzarcasticX 9 points10 points  (3 children)

In 2013, when Facebook stock was hovering around the mid $20's, I bought it (still have it) but I was debating about buying BTC for around $100 back then. Facebook has been a nice return so far (around 620%) but I would've made millions from BTC (around a 6900% increase). I was thinking about buying AMD shortly before Ryzen launched but I didn't.

[–]Vincere37MSI 1080 Ti - MSI 1070 - i5 4690k @ 4.5GHz 2 points3 points  (2 children)

You would have needed to speculate with ~ USD 14 000 in order to have made a million dollars. I know nothing about your financial situation, but if you were ready to drop that amount on a completely nebulous asset like BTC, why didn’t you do it this time around with ETH? Or any of the other countless altcions that have send 5,000% gains this year? I’m not criticizing your decisions, but I am genuinely interested in behavioral finance. There was a reason you were considering a non-diversified position in cryptocurrency back when crypto was still very much a fringe asset, but didn’t. And there is a reason you didn’t consider a diversified position in crypto this year. Thoughts?

[–]CzarcasticX 0 points1 point  (1 child)

BTC wasn't a fringe asset. It was gaining attention because it went from buying two pizza's with around 2,000 BTC to 1 BTC being $100. I had around $60k to invest then (after a nice bonus + tax return). I thought BTC had the potential to go to around $200 in a year or two. As for Facebook when it was $25 and shortly after the IPO, I thought there was a lot of potential for growth. Facebook's market cap was $60 billion when I invested and I thought it could grow to $400 billion - $500 billion in 2-3 years. So that lead me to put all of it into Facebook. I also debated in putting 50/50 into BTC and FB but it's all history now. As for ETH, I didn't hear about it until the video card mining stuff and it was already at $300. I have already put money into crypto, I have 3 BTC (bought at $4000) and around 500 litecoins (bought at $50). I am looking into ICO's but they're all a gamble just like stocks so although I had decent returns so far, it's nothing like what I would've made if I had bought BTC when it was $100.

[–]Vincere37MSI 1080 Ti - MSI 1070 - i5 4690k @ 4.5GHz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bitcoin most certainly was a fringe asset in 2013. In fact, cryptocurrency as a whole, even right now, is a fringe asset. In early 2013, when BTC was trading at around USD 100, it had a market cap of USD 1.5 billion. At that time, BTC made up essentially 100% of the cryptocurrency asset class. An asset class that amounts to only USD 1.5 billion is a fringe asset. Right now, with the cryptocurrency market amounting to USD 200 billion, it is still a fringe asset. Total gold reserves amount to USD 7 000 billion. The global stock market is around USD 75 000 billion. Global real estate is around USD 225 000 billion. So cryptocurrency as whole has 3% the market cap of gold, 0.3% the market cap of stocks, and 0.1% the market cap of real estate.

Why did I choose those three markets? Because not only are they not fringe assets on a market cap basis, but they are not fringe assets when considering the number of people whose portfolios contain a portion of those asset classes. Total derivatives markets vastly outweigh these markets, but you won’t find the majority of them in the average person’s portfolio.

With cryptocurrency, not only is the market cap a drop of water in the ocean, but you most certainly will not find them in the average person’s portfolio. Thus, cryptocurrency is still a fringe asset. Need I add that it’s essentially completely unregulated.

As for ETH, sure you might have missed the boat on that one, but not on other currencies. If you were disappointed in missing BTC’ 7000% rise and ETH’s 4000% rise, why don’t you look for the next currency(ies) that will see similar returns? It’s not going to be BTC or LTC, I can tell you that much. I missed BTC’s rise, but I had around USD 1 500 worth of ETH in Jan 2017 from mining and rode the spring surge up to USD 400 per ETH. I diversified into ETH, BTC, LTC, ARK, VRT, NEO, LSK, QTUM, XRP, STRAT, and SIA. Turned my 4000% gain into a 10,000% gain. I’ll be rebalancing/reallocating soon. 2017 isn’t over yet.

So don’t get discouraged and don’t settle for coins that have already seen a big run up. Yes, BTC, ETH, and LTC are not going anywhere, so it’s fine to hold a decent chunk in those. But sell some of those LTC and put a few hundred into a dozen coins each. If the tech/dev team/solutions are good, chances are one of them will work out in your favor.

Or it could all come crashing down. Who knows?

[–]Jpotter145AMD R7 1800X | Asus R9 290x | 16GB DDR4-3000 (running 2933) 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I did :)

[–]newuseRR1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

-bought shares for 2k

[–]semitope4770 || Fury 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Good. I need it low till before zen+ announcement.

[–]Gryphon234Ryzen 7 1700 | Vega 64 | 32GB DDR4-3000 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Legit

Might buy some myself

[–]PhoBoChai3570K + Vega 56 92 points93 points  (53 children)

In the past year, AMD's value increased by how much? Stocks go up and down, truly, this is a great entry point for those wishing to get onboard before the AMD train leaves permanently in 2018.

[–]JimmymassacreR7 1800X | 64GB DDR4 | 2x RX Vega 64 | 75"Samsung KS9000 44 points45 points  (40 children)

If AMD wasn't already such a large percentage of my portfolio, I'd definitely buy more.

[–]anotherapostrophe 6 points7 points  (39 children)

You know you can get more money...

[–]RohkiiR5 1600 ITX | GTX 1070 70 points71 points  (38 children)

Thats not his point, you want a diverse portfolio not a static looking one.

[–]anotherapostrophe 2 points3 points  (36 children)

Lol only if you're retired. Diversification is good for investment companies and the rich, the rest of humanity doesn't have the freedom of living off of interest.

[–]JimmymassacreR7 1800X | 64GB DDR4 | 2x RX Vega 64 | 75"Samsung KS9000 62 points63 points  (8 children)

Diversification is good for anyone who wants to balance their risks. Your comment about living off of interest is irrelevant. If you're okay with an all or nothing strategy, that's great. Most people aren't.

[–]pccapso1800x/RX Vega 64 LE 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you don't have enough funds to diversify then you should not be investing.

[–]evernessince 14 points15 points  (21 children)

Stocks in general are mostly for the rich unless you are very good at playing them. The average American doesn't have the income to afford stocks anymore.

[–]JimmymassacreR7 1800X | 64GB DDR4 | 2x RX Vega 64 | 75"Samsung KS9000 24 points25 points  (16 children)

As far as you second statement is concerned, I would hazard to guess that the issue is more about a lack of saving discipline and fear of losing on an investment rather than the ability to actually afford stocks.

[–]evernessince 17 points18 points  (15 children)

No, it is as I say. Inflation has far exceeded the average wage increase in the US since the late 80s. American homes used to be able to support themselves with one parent working. Now? Both.

The current required wage to live by oneself is $12.75. That's just for one person with the lowest accommodations possible. Current minimum wage is $9.25. You literally cannot live on your own on or near minimum wage. I would estimate that at least 50% of americans don't even have access to jobs that pay higher than $12.75 either.

I remember when snickers bars used to be a decent size. Now they are a quarter of the size and double the price.

[–]Logic_and_MemesFX-6300 | MSI R9 390 | Windows 10 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I recommend talking to the fine people over at r/Bogleheads. They're an investment community focused on simple, reliable investment strategies for those who are not rich.

[–]JimmymassacreR7 1800X | 64GB DDR4 | 2x RX Vega 64 | 75"Samsung KS9000 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Your first point establishes that the average worker in the U.S. now has less disposable income than the average worker in the late 80s. That does not mean that saving is completely impossible.

For what it's worth, the median hourly wage was $17.81 as of BLS' 2016 report. https://www.bls.gov/oes/2016/may/oes_nat.htm

I understand that the distribution of income in the U.S. is more biased toward the top than it's ever been, but that doesn't mean that most people are completely unable to save / invest. That "average" person is probably spending most of his/her disposable income on entertainment or leisure activities rather than saving.

[–]GaborBartalAMD R7 1700 || Vega 56 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well if the metrics are true, then even if someone (of the bottom half) has money to spend (e.g. on a smartphone, going out etc), it likely comes from some form of loan. Then it's not disposable income, but they could have chosen to use it for a small investment. But it's very risky as you said.

As to his point, most people do not live alone, so even though 1 person usually can't cover their expenses (same in Europe, worse in Central/Eastern-Europe here, much worse, you gotta live in pairs), but a family does have some disposable income.

But basically everyone spends money on some form of entertainment, etc, with or without a loan in the background - and that money could be spent differently.

[–]evernessince 5 points6 points  (5 children)

"That "average" person is probably spending most of his/her disposable income on entertainment or leisure activities rather than saving"

Well yes, that isn't surprising. Everyone needs leisure time. That's a requirement of being human. It almost sounds like you are painting them out to be the bad guys for unwinding instead of saving every penny they have. People can't just work their butts off and not take a break, they'll go crazy.

[–]Commisar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This.

People buy a LOT more stuff today than they used to.

Everyone and their mother now leases a European luxury car

[–]Commisar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Minimum wage is actually $7.25.

And Snickers bars aren't tiny

[–]SE_ApocalypseAMD Phenom ii x4 955be @ 800Mhz | AMD R9 290 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

The current required wage to live by oneself is $12.75. That's just for one person with the lowest accommodations possible.

Isn't it ironic that not more of those $9.25 people come over to EU europe which might not pay them more than $9.25, but actually allows them to support themselves on such a low wage. ;-)

[–]Commisar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because the jobs aren't there, but I'm laughing at European angst over their new friends from South of the need while the USA has had that issue for decades.

[–]Wait_for_BM 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Most people do not know about their own country's immigration policy. Immigration might not be as easy as you think if you don't fall into the skilled labor (i.e. University degree or may be specialized field) or people with money to invest etc. Either way it gets harder for people that are in the lower brackets.

EU countries tend to tax higher, but tend to take care of their people better than the US in return.

I am first generation immigrant not in US nor EU.

[–]Commisar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure they do, they just don't want to play part time day trader

[–]SE_ApocalypseAMD Phenom ii x4 955be @ 800Mhz | AMD R9 290 -5 points-4 points  (2 children)

If you are very good at playing them, you are anyway rich. ;-)

I feel we can safely ignore the average american here anyway, because none will be in this sub anyway ;-)

[–]Logic_and_MemesFX-6300 | MSI R9 390 | Windows 10 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What are you basing these statements on? My immediate reaction to both of them is that they are probably false.

[–]IgnaciaXia 2 points3 points  (2 children)

My AMD stocks tanked, lost value there. Meanwhile all my Marijuana stocks rose... net value of my portfolio is slightly up.

If I need money fast, I can easily sell the pot stocks for liquidity.. but if I sell my AMD stocks I take a loss. That's why you want a diverse portfolio, so you can actually sell when real life issues pop up.

[–]anotherapostrophe 1 point2 points  (1 child)

for true "diversity" you need at least 30

again, diversity is for large portfolios, you can't make any kind of retirement off of small funds unless you take risks. risks can always be mitigated with good DD

[–]browncoat_girli7-6700k | rx 480 8gb | Crucial 2x16 gb ddr4 2400 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You can get diversity buy investing in sector ETF's and index ETF's without spending much money. An S and P 500 index ETF like $VOO is a very good investment in a bull market and will rise and fall with the S&P500.

[–]amschind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Diversification is not a cure all for risk. It does nothing to protect you from market risk. If you think that the individual risks for one company are greater than the market as a whole, then diversification into other securities is a great hedge. If you think that you can pick companies with limited downside, it's not unreasonable to put all of your eggs in one basket within the stock market and otherwise rely upon unconventional hedges (i.e. physical precious metals, government bonds, et c) may be the best play.

I'm not advocating one strategy or the other, just pointing out that owning a bunch of different securities would've done almost nothing to protect one's wealth in 2008 versus owning just one. People who are most worried about that kind of risk can invest and hedge accordingly without being foolish or insane.

[–]AFourEyedGeek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unless you've got some inside trading!

[–]KARMAAACSEVGA GTX 1080 FTW 4 points5 points  (3 children)

For the past year you guys have harped on about AMD's stock, it went from a $14 high and is slowly every day trickling down further and further. If the Intel announcement didn't give it a bump, I dunno what more AMD can do to get an increase other than have huge sales with large margins. That's the main thing, margins, all investors want high gross margins, and AMD's aren't exactly high like other tech stocks, sadly.

[–]trollish_tendencies 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The Intel deal did give them a bump, it dropped again after it was confirmed Raja was leaving to work at Intel.

[–]KARMAAACSEVGA GTX 1080 FTW 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Like a 2% bump? Like it matters when it drops 5% the next day...

[–]trollish_tendencies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was actually 7% which was pretty significant. But yeah it did drop back down.

[–]Aquilam 3 points4 points  (6 children)

The biggest problem with AMDs stock is that it's being valued by people who don't know the tech industry very well. They're following advice from people who have a bias against AMD, like Cramer.

AMD is offering incredible performance, at each price point which manages to match or beats intel; either outright or if you consider the package as a whole. The segment that has been disappointing has been their GPUs; overpriced and difficult to find.

Meanwhile AMD CPUs and GPUs are in every xbox and playstation, and are currently set to be in every mac for the next generation, as well as mid-range laptops.

??? HOW COULD THEY BEING DOING ANY BETTER???

Their hardware offering is strong and their market share is growing daily. The only people betting against them are invested in their failure or their rivals.

[–]Pollia 5 points6 points  (4 children)

AMD has a ton of high volume products, but very few high margin products. Their revenue stream is pretty tiny compared to their competitors because of that.

Just look at total income after expenses between nvidia and AMD.

AMD reported a total income of 71 million after expenses. That's off of 1.6 billion dollars in gross revenue.

Nvidia reported 583 million after expenses off a gross revenue of 2.6 billion.

Add on that nvidia pays dividends and amd doesn't and it's a major reason why AMD stock is so volatile.

[–]Jimbuscus[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yeah, the PS4/Xbox deals haven't really done much for them in the 4 years on the market, They picked AMD because they where willing to accept bugger all above cost

[–]Pollia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I mean, I wouldn't go that far.

For those 4 years it was about the only thing that kept them from going bankrupt since it was the only thing that actually had a positive revenue stream.

It wasn't much, but it was just enough to keep them going.

[–]Jimbuscus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It might help them with console owners who want a PC later on, knowing that there GPU's where in there consoles

[–]Wait_for_BM 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that AMD doesn't have lots of money, so they are always a few failed products or some other disasters away from digging themselves into a hole. They are in bleeding edge technology field that require constant successes and innovations to stay competitive. It is exciting, but very risky.

On the other hand, their competitors can weather failures a bit better, invest their money in R&D or in other investments to generate income (how meta is that?). INTC could easily turn hundreds of millions in their short term investment with their cash.

https://ycharts.com/companies/INTC/cash_on_hand

https://ycharts.com/companies/NVDA/cash_on_hand

[–]browncoat_girli7-6700k | rx 480 8gb | Crucial 2x16 gb ddr4 2400 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AMD is offering incredible performance at each price point

Irrelevant. Their growth potential in x86 and GPU's is limited not by Nvidia and Intel, but by the lack of growth in the segments as a whole. AMD has failed to find alternative sectors for their technology to grow revenue in the way Intel and Nvidia have.

AMD CPU's and GPU's are in every xbox and playstation

They've failed to monetize these well due to low margins.

Having good hardware and growing market share don't matter to an investor. The fact of the matter is AMD has horrible, horrible EPS growth. They can grow revenue and marketshare, but they won't be able to grow profit. AMD stock fell at Q3 earnings because they lowed future EPS projections. Investing in any stock comes with an opportunity cost. AMD has an EPS of +/- $.05 in a year and a current share price of $11.27. $PSEC has been going through financial trouble. They have a share price of $5.90 and had to cut their dividend to only $0.72 per share per year and the board is committed to maintaining high dividend rates even if it means cutting into cash on hand and has been a solvent profitable company for almost a decade. Do you honestly think a company like $AMD is ever going to pay out as much as $PSEC in dividends or even earn as much profit?

tldr; AMD makes great products, but from a financial standpoint they're a poor investment.

[–]bongeyhead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its big firms pushing the price down to buy more Goldman Ball-Sachs has sell rating, re-interated in Oct but since Sept have bought 1 million more shares. https://fintel.io/soh/us/amd/goldman-sachs-group

[–]XeraanTrussEVGA GTX 1060 41 points42 points  (19 children)

How exactly does one get started with Stocks?

Edit: Signed up with the Robinhood app. Thank you so much!

[–]bigwizard7 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Robinhood is easy.

[–]Armand_RaynalFX8320 + R9-290X Accelerro 3 | [email protected] + Vega⁶⁴ Morpheus2 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That's a funny name for a stock exchange app. I bet my arm Robin Hood wouldn't like it.

[–]Superpickle18R9 280 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Idk, stocks seem like stealing money from the rich by investing money with the rich.

[–]Jimbuscus[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Most banks have the ability to buy stocks somewhere in there internet banking, that's probably the easiest way

[–]907ShrakeR7 1700 @ 3.7 GHz / 1.237v, RX VEGA 56 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Robin Hood mobile app + your bank account

[–]WulfayFury X 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Robinhood is a great app for smartphones that has 0 fees. Can buy 1 share of a stock, can buy 1000 shares, no fees!

[–]DrawStreamRasterizerEVGA FTW GTX 1070 i7 6700k 3200MHz Trident-Z 10 points11 points  (2 children)

only works in U.S though.

[–]xXbghytXx 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Damn I was so hopful, I live in the UK so no luck for me yet.

[–]Jimbuscus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, looked for an Australian alternative and they best we have is a $10 per purchase/sell with only Australian stocks

[–]-spartacus- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What's the $2000 min portfolio balance?

[–]KaiserPhil 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Be careful, though. Buying individual stocks is a great way to lose money.

[–]XeraanTrussEVGA GTX 1060 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m mostly planning to do some low cost stocks, $100 total; money I’m willing to lose.

[–]Gati0420 3 points4 points  (6 children)

[–]BirkBurk 9 points10 points  (5 children)

No. God no.

Edit: OP check out r/stocks instead

[–]KaguyaTenTails 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Why not?

[–]Logic_and_MemesFX-6300 | MSI R9 390 | Windows 10 15 points16 points  (0 children)

When you're dealing with an investing community that calls their members "YOLOers," you may want to take their opinions with a grain of salt.

[–]BirkBurk 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Because they mostly meme and joke about stocks. Evidently very funny vut not good for beginners

[–]KaguyaTenTails 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meme magic is very much real

[–]browncoat_girli7-6700k | rx 480 8gb | Crucial 2x16 gb ddr4 2400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're a group of people who like to gamble by investing large amounts of money in extremely risky instruments likes puts and shorts. You'd be more likely to break even at a blackjack table than investing in some of the instruments they do.

[–]lodanap 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Great time to buy

[–]KINQQQQQQIntel i7 2600 @4.8Ghz // R9 390// 1440p 144hz Freesync 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The last huge drop was due to US probably delaying the tax reform. The whole Bull run that started nov. 2016 could turn over now. So probably not the best time to buy.

[–]Harvey_B1rdman1950X | ASRock x399 Fatal1ty | 1080ti 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Or it'll play around 11 for a month go to 13-14 before earnings then it's a coin flip to 16 or 10 lol. If it goes to 16 it moves back down to 12 a week later

[–]discometalstu 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Buy the dip! There's blood in the water!

[–]viciouswar 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hell, better than 2 dollars! And for those who don't know the jump and that 600mil of stock purchase means something. AMD is that under dog that will get up no matter what.

[–]wasmachinatori7 920 / Sapphire R9 280X 5 points6 points  (1 child)

anyone from the netherlands with experience buying amd stock? got lost finding a way to do it..

[–]mnl2g 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would like to know too. I wish I could use Robinhood :(

[–]ImTheSlyDevil1700X 4100/3066 | Nitro+ RX470 8GB Kraken X62 1495/2100 14 points15 points  (8 children)

You see decline. I see opportunity.

[–]mayonaisebuster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

thats not important at all. it doesn't take a genius. STOCKS mean price means NOTHING to the actual performance of the company. it means that its less profitable for them

but it does not affect AMDs output performance. it does not affect short term or long term because in short term they already have invested in R&D. in longterm it will increase.

[–]R_TTER 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Start buying then!

[–]leoyoung1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sounds like a great time to buy AMD!

[–]ccricersRadeon Pro WX 4100 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AMD stocks on sale! 20% off for a limited time.

[–]leoyoung1 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I remember when Apple was under valued. I told everyone I knew to buy. No one did. Then Apple brought out the iPod. In the next eight years the stock doubled and split, doubled and split, then tripled and split. Anyone investing $50K was a millionaire in eight years.

I didn't have money to invest then either.

[–]WesTechGamesAMD Fury X ][ [email protected] 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Yeah but AMD isn't under valued... It's over valued, Apple at the time pre ipod wasn't under valued either per say, it's a case that they had little value neither over nor under valued they were in a niche market that wasn't evolving at the time and then they came out with innovative new mainstream products that had never really been seen on the market and were really well marketed, hence giving them value.

AMDs case is different, RTG has become a liability within the company... AMD has almost as much liabilities (debt) than they do total assets, and they own hardly any long term assets (they've already sold all that off). Their market cap isn't stable enough, a lot of speculation which doesn't represent a healthy company, especially in times of economic crisis. Potentially on a long term investment, yes maybe, depending on what becomes of RTG, if you have that info before hand you can be a winner of course... At this point AMD would most likely become stronger in the long term without RTG, it would definitely become a more stable investment. Personnally I wouldn't touch a thing until Navi has been released when it comes to a long term investment, that GPU will make or break RTG, and nothing indicates that they have something up their sleeve on the GPU front, and when info comes out on Navi and if it turns out to be another GCN iteration, get rid of what you have before reviews because the price will tank after release because it will be underwhelming if it's still the same GCN cores, and if solid info comes out that it's a brand new arch before launch it could be worth buying (depends on how much you trust AMD)

[–]koros83 4 points5 points  (0 children)

AMD is on pace to make .30-.60 per share in 2018. That puts the stock at a 35-70 forward p/e. That could easily increase to a dollar a share in 2019. They're undervalued if they keep delivering.

[–]geoffchadi7-920+7970 (waiting for Ryzen + Vega) 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. The stock market doesn't actually reflect the output of a company, but what people feel about the value of the company.

AMD exceeded expectations and stock fell, which means REAL expectations were that they'd blow the "expectations" out of the water. Which means the company hasn't been performing well enough. Which means stock goes down. Which it did.

[–]leoyoung1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok you obviously know way more about this than I do.

I completely agree about Apple. I knew they were up to something and my hunch to buy was correct.

It seems that AMD has been on the ropes for a while and has sold off all it can to stay solvent while they gambled the farm on Ryzen and Vega.

What is RTG?

[–]Nnol 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AMD's architecture (CGN) is not the issue, it their node design that causes amd's performance losses.

[–]gravballe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yes its a shit stock to own.. the big players are playing their game, and everone who got in early was the lucky ones... (before the stock hit 10$)

[–]rasmusdf 2 points3 points  (3 children)

So - short term trading is gambling. What's interesting is - what is the outlook for the next couple of years. Good or bad?

[–]Leishon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Personally, I bought in at ~$12.60 precisely because I felt the consumer sentiment towards AMD shifting. Zen is a great success and even Vega, despite it's ridiculous launch issues, is actually solid value if you can get it for MSRP (I did), and I expect supply to improve going forward.

For the first time in many years I feel like AMD has a product portfolio that makes sense to enthusiasts, and even if that's perhaps not as important of a market segment as it had been in decades past, I think it still says something about the winds blowing at AMD.

[–]rasmusdf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. I also think that Epyc looks competetive - and what's more - the big buyers are very hungry for Intel alternatives.

[–]browncoat_girli7-6700k | rx 480 8gb | Crucial 2x16 gb ddr4 2400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bad. We've been in a bull market for 8 years now. Everyone's afraid of a bear market because we can all look at historical trends and see the market is cyclical,but nobody knows when exactly it'll happen. The last bear market was the 2008 crash and before than the dotcom bubble bursting. Basically when a bear market stocks a huge percentage of equity just vanishes from the stock market. Normally you'd invest in bonds to protect against a market crash, but current interest rates make this nonviable. As long as the bull market lasts though you can make huge returns just investing in index ETF's like $VOO.

[–]EL1TEGAMINGAMD Ryzen 7 1800x . Aorus 1080 ti xtreme WB 11G 2 points3 points  (2 children)

This is nothing compared to previous quarter bloodbath... 25% in a day I believe, and I held my shares through it too! Still holding ~1300 shares waiting for $30 lol.

[–]KinestronR5 1600 | RX 470 | UltraWide Freesync 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Ditto, I'm in it for the long haul hoping to see something above $20/share.

[–]EL1TEGAMINGAMD Ryzen 7 1800x . Aorus 1080 ti xtreme WB 11G 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Around March when Ryzen desktop was about to hit the market I was so bullish i bought Jan $20 calls... I'm around - 95% on those, lol I also have some $15 calls for Jan as well, I was going to sell it this week after the intel announcement but Raja and gov Tax stuff sent this thing down so much.

[–]techdimi 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I see a lot of potential for Amd but I am so scared to buy stocks and possibly lose everything..f I wish I was rich

[–]JimmymassacreR7 1800X | 64GB DDR4 | 2x RX Vega 64 | 75"Samsung KS9000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fear of losing doesn't go away no matter how much money you have. You should only invest what you can afford to lose.

You can also set up a stop-loss on your shares so that if the price dips below a certain level, a sell order is automatically triggered. This allows you to limit your exposure to a loss.

[–]deirox 1 point2 points  (1 child)

TL;DR it plummeted after earnings report, recovered a little on news of AMD/Intel deal, then dropped again on news of Raja leaving RTG.

[–]old_c5-6_quadThreadripper | 1080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And finally clueing in that Vega is indeed a steaming pile.

[–]TheJoker1432I5 4670 / 16Gb DDR 3 / GTX 1060 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well its not looking great for AMD withput Raja and selling their tech out to Intel

[–]old_c5-6_quadThreadripper | 1080 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Without Raja, Navi is gonna fucking rock!

[–]GibRarzAsrock Fatal1ty - 1600x @ 3.8 - CL16 16gb @ 2800 - R9 390 Nitro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Raja obviously selling all his stocks since he doesn't have to be loyal anymore. Being the leader of radeon obviously meant he owned a buttload of them. Enough to influence it.

[–]Fart-Loveri7 2600k || HD 7850 2GB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AMD's typical price is about 11.50. It jumps to 14-15 every time they release something. If you want to make money, just buy a bunch of shares when it drops to the high 10s or low 11s and then wait. Source: r/wallstreetbets

[–]LightTracer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Surprised? When their ship jumper jumps ship again and on top of that they partner with their market rival in an oligopoly using this ship jumper? They are slowly nailing down their own coffin.

[–]gamejourno 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shareholders are rightly pissed that AMD not only screwed up Vega but have allowed miners to push up the price of graphics cards so much that it ended up hurting earnings over the longer period. The company got a small bump into profit but, not making enough cards available and allowing price gouging has put consumers off buying new GPUs almost completely and that is hurting the company. Understandably shareholders now want a change of upper management which will be announced soon.

[–]bongeyhead 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Goldman Ball-Sachs re-interated a sell rating but then BOUGHT a MILLION more shares of AMD. Its market manipulation , AMD is about the make big leaps and they wanted more shares https://www.streetinsider.com/Analyst+Comments/Goldman+Sachs+Remains+Sell-rated+on+Advanced+Micro+Devices+%28AMD%29/13420462.html

https://fintel.io/soh/us/amd/goldman-sachs-group

[–]MagjeeR5 1600 / RX 580 (I still call it ATI) 2 points3 points  (3 children)

The stock price won't be great until they turn a profit and eventually pay dividends

[–]zer0_c0olAMD 2xFuryX @ 1170 Mhz , 12 core TR @ 4.1 ghz (all cores) 4 points5 points  (2 children)

um they turned a profit

[–]MagjeeR5 1600 / RX 580 (I still call it ATI) 1 point2 points  (1 child)

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/amd/financials?query=income-statement

Sorry to clarify I was talking about Y/E 2017, which has not yet been reported.

 

They did turn a profit this last quarter and as long as the next quarters profit is above 18 million it will be a profit for the year :)

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/amd/financials?query=income-statement&data=quarterly

But if you take a look at retained earnings they have a huge 7+ billion dollar hole to claw out from.

I doubt they will pay dividends for awhile :(

[–]zer0_c0olAMD 2xFuryX @ 1170 Mhz , 12 core TR @ 4.1 ghz (all cores) 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that is true

[–]johnmountain 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So still a good buy for Samsung or Broadcom...

I can't believe Qualcomm almost bought them but the stupid Snapdragon 810 ruined everything and the board didn't allow them to do it anymore. I would rather AMD is bought out than making deals like the recent one with Intel for lack of cash.

[–]Nnol 2 points3 points  (0 children)

AMD can not be "bought out".

AMD would have to merge, or take over another company, or it looses it X86 license.

[–]jimmierussles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Time to buy.

[–]TJeezey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably because NV set multiple records last quarter when Vega dropped. The numbers they put up are actually pretty surprising (record gaming revenue) as I thought AMD had some momentum...

[–]IAmAnAnonymousCoward 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is good news for AMD.

[–]fhackner3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

then buy already! (I would if I had the money laying around, and after I buy some crypto)

[–]xMuffieFX 8320 4.5ghz | G.Skill 8gb ddr3 2133 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and it's fucking bullshit

[–]YosarianiLives1100t 4 ghz, 3.2 ghz HTT/NB, 32 gb ddr3 2150 10-11-10-15 1t :) 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give it time, also the peak was probably a little too optimistic given the progress AMD had made. Consider that most of the growth from $2 per share was from before ryzen came out. I fully expect the stock to rise up back to where it's been in not too long as long as they can make the deals they need to sell epyc and hopefully get something promising going on at RTG.

[–]ClarkFable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rule #37. When the sample size incorporates a prime number, cherry picking is an issue.

[–]Ruseman4040Ryzen 1700 + GTX 1080 Seawhawk X 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember when I sold my shares at close to 15 dollars and posted it on a thread. Gave my 2 cents and why everyone should have sold at that point. Got down voted a bunch of amdrones, calling me dumb for selling. Wonder where those dudes are now?

[–]DrewSagai7 5820K/R7 360 2 GB/16 GB-2133 & R5 2500U/Vega 8/8 GB-2400 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly these number doesn't mean jack squat for us common folk

[–]lodanap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the advice fellas

[–]R_TTER 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Start buying then!

[–]TheJoker1432I5 4670 / 16Gb DDR 3 / GTX 1060 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well Raja left so they are out of the gpu business amd CL is a big competitor in cpu

[–]valantismp| Gigabyte R9 380 4G | 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok

[–]kiffmet[email protected],5Ghz | 16GB RAM | RX Vega 56 @ EKWB | SSD Raid 0 -1 points0 points  (8 children)

That drop might have been Raja internally saying that he's got a new job at Intel.

[–]Eris_FloraliaRyzen ITX build incoming | XPS 15 | EIZO FlexScan SX2262W 6 points7 points  (7 children)

It has already been confirmed.

[–]kiffmet[email protected],5Ghz | 16GB RAM | RX Vega 56 @ EKWB | SSD Raid 0 2 points3 points  (6 children)

It is not known when exactly he dropped that bomb. But according to that stock graph it happened 21 days ago and the public got to know it yesterday.

[–]idwtlotplanetanymore 9 points10 points  (1 child)

21 days ago is when they released q3 2017 financials, beat revenue estimates, and showed the first GAAP profit in a long time.

So naturally the stock tanked, because its amd.

[–]Jimbuscus[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I assumed it was the best time to sell for people who wanted to sell for the profit

[–]noiserrTeamRed: Ryzen 1800x+Vega64 Liquid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It certainly would explain a lot.

[–]Eris_FloraliaRyzen ITX build incoming | XPS 15 | EIZO FlexScan SX2262W 1 point2 points  (2 children)

21 days ago was AMD's Q3 ER, with good results, so the stock price tanked. (as always /s)

[–]All_Work_All_PlayPatiently Waiting For Benches 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think you mean they failed to meet expectations by a little bit, and forecasted (accurately) reduced revenue due to saturation of the GPU mining market.

[–]noiserrTeamRed: Ryzen 1800x+Vega64 Liquid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did they fail to meet expectations? They beat expectations. Also the forecast was increased not lowered. Console seasonality was there in previous guidelines as well, and yet YoY forecast was increased still.

[–]zgozy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I bought AMD when it was 2 bux and sold just before Ryzen launch. Then I bought Ethereum when it was $30 and sold at $400. Then I bought Litecoin at $30 and sold at $90. Then I bought Vertcoin at $0.50 and sold at $4.

My main motivation is world domination.

[–]loggedn2sayi3-4360 // 7970 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

these stock updates are fun....

check out the old ones and see the comments and the way they swing. good times....gooooood times....